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Travailler le passé composé ?
J'ai eu la chance pendant quelques mois d'avoir un groupe assez homogène et très travailleur.... j'en ai donc profité pour faire le passé composé, le futur proche et d'autres choses encore plus incroyables ...Le rêve!
je me suis fait plaisir et eux aussi!
Mias ça n'a duré que le temps d'un rêve.
Aujourd'hui: groupe recomposé avec des non lecteurs et non scripteurs (NL, NS)et des lecteurs et scripteurs (et pour certains un très bon niveau scolaire dans leur pays...) et cerise sur le gâteau ... 19 personnes et groupe partagé entre 2 formatrice.
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y' a beaucoup de paradoxes dans ce référentiel (non? oui?)mais bon... je ne suis pas Bac + 6, c'est pour ça que mon cerveau comprend pas tout!
Voilà Marinette la raison de ce post sur "travailler le Passé composé". J'crois que c'est le premier et le dernier!
J'ai eu la chance pendant quelques mois d'avoir un groupe assez homogène et très travailleur.... j'en ai donc profité pour faire le passé composé, le futur proche et d'autres choses encore plus incroyables ...Le rêve!
je me suis fait plaisir et eux aussi!
Mias ça n'a duré que le temps d'un rêve.
Aujourd'hui: groupe recomposé avec des non lecteurs et non scripteurs (NL, NS)et des lecteurs et scripteurs (et pour certains un très bon niveau scolaire dans leur pays...) et cerise sur le gâteau ... 19 personnes et groupe partagé entre 2 formatrice.
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Le problème du Dilf et donc du référentiel A1.1 c'est qu'il est très "réducteur" et en même temps on demande aux stagiaires de parler de leur passé scolaire , de leur date d'arrivé en France, donc il faut quand même avoir une idée du passé composé, non ? et dans la vie de tous les jours c'est un temps qu'on utilise pas mal . (je sais, je sais...nous ne sommes désormais que de simples disciples. face à notre maître à tous, ne réfléchissons pas, limitons les connaissances de nos stagiaires, on ne sait jamais, ils pourraient se révolter!)
y' a beaucoup de paradoxes dans ce référentiel (non? oui?)mais bon... je ne suis pas Bac + 6, c'est pour ça que mon cerveau comprend pas tout!
Voilà Marinette la raison de ce post sur "travailler le Passé composé". J'crois que c'est le premier et le dernier!
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At 8:03 PM, Marinette said…
Absolument d'accord avec toi sur ces paradoxes du référentiel, idem sur l'importance du passé-composé. De mon côté, du point de vue des niveaux, j'ai la chance d'avoir un groupe le matin, un autre l'après-midi si bien que je me débrouille toujours pour avoir deux groupes à peu près homogènes (NL/NS et fle). Enfin, façon de parler parce que justement quand certains seraient prêts à aller plus loin, ben, des nouveaux rejoignent le groupe et je reviens au début du programme...
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At 11:02 PM, Marinette said…
Que veux-tu dire par prise en compte? Qu'on développe de nouveaux savoir-faire ou juste que les gens sachent comment ça se passe vraiment?
At 1:11 PM, Anonyme said…
peut être des manuels plus adaptés beaoucoup plus spiralaire(?)ou des fiches spécifiques qui permettent à chaque entrée d'un nouveau stagiaire de reprendre les bases, par exemple (je rêve, c'est peut être surement impossible). et puis oui, que les profs d'université ne se basent pas uniquement sur leurs élèves FLE d'un niveau universitaire pour que leurs cours....c'est peut être trop demandé ou ça existe peut être déjà mais,(au contraire de Bernadette Soubirou), je ne vois rien venir .
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